Added: Nov 23, 2008
From: doctorh2005
Duration: 2:35
Many atheists believe God to be "immoral" in what He does.Now HOW exactly do they know what is and what is not "immoral"?Hmmm...And where did their 'moral' standard come from? I have yet to meet an atheist who can explain to me where moral absolutes come from.Sorry, but only video replys on this one folks!DoctorH
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doctorh2005 Says:
Nov 23, 2008 - "For there to be absolute morality it must come for a non-thinking source."Contrary to your opinion, absolutes (especially Logical Absolutes) are actually CONCEPTUAL in nature - they don't reside in matter. You can't weigh, test, or even quantify them - yet they exist.Human beings don't invent them - they only DISCOVER them.They also 'transcend' space/time - they are true no matter where/when you are...
doctorh2005 Says:
Nov 23, 2008 - ...Since they are CONCEPTUAL and they TRANSCEND space/time, it would require a TRANSCENDENTAL/ABSOLUTE MIND to author those absolutes - which is exactly how the Bible describes God.
TheMilkEyedMender Says:
Nov 23, 2008 - Morality is a byproduct of are evolution. The best chance of survival for us was to stick together in a group, so then benefiting the group through your actions also benefited the individual. Morality is basically a way of ensuring are survival. Take for instance are natural instinct to protect young children, this is because the young are defenseless, so are genes hot wire us to want to protect them, therefore the species can continue survive and continue to reproduce.
doctorh2005 Says:
Nov 23, 2008 - "Morality is a byproduct of are evolution. The best chance of survival for us was to stick together in a group"If survival IS the main aim, then can you explain why people knowingly engage in self-destructive behaviour (i.e., smoking, drinking, drugs, suicide, etc.)?And can you explain why people often subvert their own survival instincts to help others...sometimes to the point of their own deaths?
FutureShock99 Says:
Nov 23, 2008 - Thanks for making this video. I'm going to send this to the next atheist that asks this question. God bless.
WoWaddict3d Says:
Nov 23, 2008 - Ok.There was a test. Two rats were put in seperate cages. And whenever a rat from the other cage ate something, the rat in the other got shocked.The other mouse STARVED itself to death, just not to let the other rat suffer.If even animals like rats have this kind of.. morality, is it necessary to believe in God to be moral? I'm not talking about bigger animals, with more morals.Oh, and it's not the survival of ourselves, it's the survival of the population.
doctorh2005 Says:
Nov 23, 2008 - "The other mouse STARVED itself to death, just not to let the other rat suffer."Can you document that?Even if that was true (which I'm highly skeptical), that wouldn't explain where the morality came from.
WoWaddict3d Says:
Nov 23, 2008 - I'm not sure if I understood the first question.. but wasn't it kinda immoral from god to kill all firstborn babies of the egyptians, just cause the pharaoh didn't want to free the slaves..?Where morality come from? Evolution baby!
doctorh2005 Says:
Nov 23, 2008 - "Oh, and it's not the survival of ourselves, it's the survival of the population."That makes no difference.This is simply assuming an end - survival - for evolution, when Darwinism, by definition, HAS no end because its a non-intelligent process.That also doesn't answer why people knowingly engage in self-destructive behaviour (i.e., smoking, drinking, drugs, suicide, etc.)?
WoWaddict3d Says:
Nov 23, 2008 - Okay, there are over six BILLION of us. Okay? There's no way we're going to die out.And yes, there is a difference. As long as we get our genes passed on, we can just die away. Our job is done, our species is safe for now.We do drugs, we smoke etc. cause we enjoy those things. We make suicides because we can, and we know how to. We are smart.
doctorh2005 Says:
Nov 23, 2008 - "wasn't it kinda immoral from god to kill all firstborn babies of the egyptians"Again, what absolute objective grounds/standard do you use to base your complaint? If you say there is no absolute God then there is no absolute morality - in other words, anything goes. And its a matter of SUBjectivity.Secondly, are you pro-choice?
WoWaddict3d Says:
Nov 23, 2008 - We had it in local paper, but some guy talked about it on a video. I can find it if u want me to.Yeah it doesn't tell where it comes from, but it tells that not only human species have morals, and that u don't need a bible to give u them. U have them imprinted in ur genes.
doctorh2005 Says:
Nov 23, 2008 - "I can find it if u want me to." Yea definitely. Would be interesting reading/viewing."it tells that not only human species have morals, and that u don't need a bible to give u them."So basically you're saying that animals know its wrong to murder/steal etc?Thats kinda begging the question a bit...But even if that were true, it could mean theres a common DESIGNER - not common ancestry
WoWaddict3d Says:
Nov 23, 2008 - Okay uh.. could u explain in few words what absolute morality is? English isn't my main language :SPro-Choice? like pro abortion? Yes.
doctorh2005 Says:
Nov 23, 2008 - "there are over six BILLION of us. Okay? There's no way we're going to die out."There are also 10 TRILLION rats in the world - do they have the same opinion? No."As long as we get our genes passed on, we can just die away. Our job is done, our species is safe for now."Thats simply putting more questions on the table than answers - e.g., WHY do we have a 'desire' to survive/reproduce?"We make suicides because we can, and we know how to. We are smart."Doesnt explain why tho...
doctorh2005 Says:
Nov 23, 2008 - "Pro-Choice? like pro abortion? Yes."Oh so you ARE for the killing of innocent babies? Why do you complain against God then lol
doctorh2005 Says:
Nov 23, 2008 - "what absolute morality is?"Sure. That some things are right or wrong no matter what man thinks; that even if there were no humans, some things would still be right.
WoWaddict3d Says:
Nov 23, 2008 - It's different. I think it's okay to 'kill' the fetus if it is a result of a rape, insest, if it is damgaed badly and wouldn't have a normal life. Killing a baby that is alrady born isn't right no matter what.U're prochoice too I guess..? I mean ur god kills babies too.
WoWaddict3d Says:
Nov 23, 2008 - I don't think there is a such thing.I think morality comes not only from our ancestors, but also from society. Like.. Society can affect our morals etc.
kais3rz3r0 Says:
Nov 23, 2008 - Well, we can say god is a hypocrite. His rules say that "dont kill" but how many times has god killed? Or maybe he can just break the rules becouse he made them right. My absolute morals come from.. a ghost who speaks to me. If you were wondering where I get them.
doctorh2005 Says:
Nov 23, 2008 - "My absolute morals come from.. a ghost who speaks to me. If you were wondering where I get them."Really...Next time you wanna comment, I suggest you make a VIDEO post and stand on the public platform, if you think you're up for it...
doctorh2005 Says:
Nov 23, 2008 - "I think it's okay to 'kill' the fetus if it is a result of a rape, insest, if it is damgaed badly and wouldn't have a normal life."See folks, we have a guy here who supports the killing of babies. Good for you sir.I'm 100% sure that if somehow you were transported back into your mothers womb, you'd automatically support to pro-LIFE... if you get my drift...
Magusim Says:
Nov 23, 2008 - For there to be absolute morality it must come for a non-thinking source.The only absolutes that exist are mathematical 2 + 2 = 4 is an absolute. If you think it comes from a god is no longer is absolute as it is entirely based on the whim of said deity. If there is an absolute morality then it will have a formula for deciding the proper decisions. Society creates a set of morality. If that morality doesn't lead to a prosperous society the society fail as does the moral system it chose.